The Relationships Of Stannis Baratheon Pt 1 | Thrones Amino
So, I just watched the second episode and Stannis and Melisandre are getting it on in the end. Does that actually happen in the books? I can't. From forbidden loves to incestual relationships, these are the best and worst couples in Westeros . WORST: Stannis Baratheon & Melisandre. When Renly Baratheon, Margaery's first husband, is killed before he can fight to The relationship between Melisandre and Stannis is more.
By the end of the book, after Davos spirits away Edric Storm from a Human Sacrifice that Melisandre suggested and which Stannis was tempted yet severely reluctant abouthe agrees that Davos, who disobeyed his commands, was right, that a "king protects his people, or he's no true King at all. He also talks down the more zealous members of the Queen's Men and generally wavers between iron determination and unexpected moderation.
Grinding his teeth when frustrated which is often. Melisandre believes he is the prince that was promised and will defeat the Others during the Long Night. His dispassionate way of speaking may not be as boisterous as Robert's or as suave as Renly's, but it does lend his words a certain solemn gravity.
The most capable soldier of the Stormlands Not that Stannis wears it himself, but it symbolizes his reliance on the magic of the red priestess, Melisandre, and her red god, Rh'llor. And the burning fires which become a hallmark of his quest. Not above using Melisandre's magic to quickly eliminate his enemies, especially if it will prevent a large number of his men from dying in a bloody battle.
His brother Renly and later Cortnay Penrose found this out the hard way. His un-charisma is so great he can be hilarious at times.
In the end he chose his blood. When Davos justifies the men of Claw Isle not remaining loyal to him as Lord Celtigar has sworn allegiance to Joffrey and even makes the comparison, Stannis understands and seems to agree to Davos. Whose fringes are shaped like flames is Stannis's only Bling of War. He prefers to be Modest Royalty. Couldn't Find a Pen: Instead of heating the ink, which would take some time, especially as Stannis has a lot to arrange in a short time due to an enemy army approaching, he cuts the ball of his thumb and signs in blood.
Considering who he's signing this contract with, this action carries some pretty ominous symbolism.
At least part of the reason for Stannis' appeal among his supporters stems from an aura of justice and determination that comes out spontaneously as a result of his actions, but also a reputation he deliberately builds. His followers and entourage seem personally devoted to him rather than the "Brother of Robert" or the descendant of Orys and Lyonel Baratheon, he also patronizes a religion which he personally doesn't believe in because it anoints him the Messiah, and his regime and entourage are animated by a kind of loyalty that is partly feudal but partly ideological, dedicated to restoring balance in the Seven Kingdoms and bringing justice to the traitors and usurpers.
Despite his rigidity and seriousness, Stannis does demonstrate a very dry sense of humor on occasion. Who better to lead the black cloaks than the man who once led the gold?
Any of you, I should think, even the cook. Deal with the Devil: Stannis's integrity means he will never ally or even strike a truce with the people he considers his enemies the Starks, Lannisters and Tyrells which is why he often asks for help from sinister entities the cult of R'hllor and the Iron Bank of Braavos without thought of the long term consequences. Of the Evil Overlord.
He is outright described as a "Dark Lord" at Joffrey's feast. He never gives up trying to be king which he sees as his duty rather than ambitionconsorts with an Evil Sorcerer and other unsavory yet sympathetic people, lives in an exotic fortress on a barren island his "reward" for helping win his brother's rebellion and is generally unlikable for being too honest and blunt.
Seems to cross a sort of one after the battle of Blackwater in which he loses most of his army and the Lannisters begin winning the war, locking himself away with Melisandre and refusing to see almost anyone. He gets better during A Storm of Swords. His stubbornness in the face of adversity is well known. He demonstrated this during the Siege of Storm's End, and keeps on trucking despite incredible setbacks in the War of the Five Kings. This very quality in him is one of the reasons Tywin Lannister considers him the greatest threat in the War of the Five Kings.
Know how everyone is always going on about how Stannis is made of iron? House Lannister may have won the War of the Five Kings by default, but Stannis is the only original survivor. Meanwhile the Lannister regime is facing collapse after the death of Tywin. By his enemies, due to them knowing that they expect almost no mercy from him due to his rigid sense of justice. Varys sums up his fear of Stannis to Ned Stark thusly: There is no creature on earth half as terrifying as a truly just man.
Considers sacrificing his nephew Edric Storm as this. Even if he doesn't want to do it, he will if one life means saving millions. To a lesser degree, this is also evident in his attitude toward seizing the Iron Throne for himself, as he's one of the few people who is not after the throne out of an ambitious pursuit for greater power and that might partially be due to seeing what the crown turned his brother Robert into, though Robert didn't want the Iron Throne either and never really cared about ruling.
Dude, Where's My Respect? He has shown himself to be a capable leader, and won several victories for Robert, but because in the words of TV! Loras he "has the personality of a lobster! This bothers him more than he cares to admit, especially as he feels he has done a lot worthy of praise and his youngest brother Renly never did anything useful. Robert could piss in a cup and men would call it wine, but I offer them cold clear water and they squint in suspicion and mutter to each other about how queer it tastes.
To give Stannis credit, he's also conscious of occasions where his enemies didn't get respect either. He despises Mace Tyrell for claiming credit for the victory over Robert at Ashford, which Stannis notes was Randyll Tarly's achievement, and that the blockade during the Siege on Storm's End was made possible by Paxter Redwyne's fleet, while acknowledging Tyrion Lannister as the true author of his defeat at Blackwater.
He also identifies with underdogs who were overshadowed in Westerosi history, grumbling that nobody remembers Alyn Oakenfist Velaryon 's naval attack at Plankytown which actually won Daeron the Young Dragon's conquest of Dorne. One can see how this mentality made him feel positive about meritocracy.
While Robert preferred to enjoy himself by drinking, eating, whoring, and pretty much neglecting his duties as king, Stannis helped run the realm as Master of Ships alongside Robert's Hand, Jon Arryn. Yet, Renly acted as a Yes-Man for Robert, spent much of his time showing off rather than actually doing something useful, and happily broke the realm's laws in trying to usurp the crown after Roberts death, being one of the main figures whose selfishness leads to the War of the Five Kings.
Though he admits he loved his brothers. In keeping with his reputation as a "Dark Lord" and his general ambiguous reputation across the books, Stannis also fulfills this other trope from fantasy.
His crew includes an Essosi Priestess, a foreigner who practises a strange religion, Lyseni privateers and an Onion Knight who was once a smuggler.
His reputation for fairness was such that a cabal of beleaguered King's Landing merchants were willing to open the gates for him to seek justice earning them the moniker "Antler's Men" upon their exposure, though this was partially due to Joffrey's poor handling of the earlier stages of war, which disrupted the economy. Likewise after defeating Mance Rayder, Stannis becomes the first High Lord and King claimant to welcome Wildlings into his kingdom, offer them protection of the law, protection from the Othersand offers to settle them south of the Wall.
Of course, Stannis will only allow this if the Wildlings give up their religion, serve in his army and surrender all of their liberties as Free Folk, but he has gone further than most anyone else in Westeros. His actions inspire Lord Commander Jon Snow to make an alliance with the Wildlings — albeit Jon makes this alliance on terms he and the Wildlings agree on as Jon does not ask the Wildlings to swear any fealties or give up their beliefs or religion as Free Folkrather than on Stannis's terms, and Jon also wants to save the Wildlings for humanitarian reasons in addition to pragmatic ones any man who dies north of the Wall will rise as a wight.
Even the giants, if those great knees of theirs can bend. I will settle them on the Gift When the cold winds rise, we shall live or die together. It is time we made alliance against our common foe. He is this to Edric Storm, whom he is this close to burning as a sacrifice, albeit very reluctantly. He and Renly are also viewed as this by Joffrey's supporters. Of course, Joffrey isn't actually his nephew as he is not the son of Stannis's brother, Robert, but of Cersei and Jaime Lannister.
Though he earlier declines from burning Edric after Balon and Robb's death, saying it could be chance that two other Kings have died after they were cursed using Edric's blood. Stannis seems to be coming over to Mel's way of thinking after the third King dies, but tells her if sacrificing Edric fails she will die "by inches.
A Father to His Men: Although Stannis is unpopular with the nobility and common people of Westeros due to his blunt honesty and rigid sense of justice, the soldiers under his command tend to be extremely loyal to him. This can probably be explained by two traits Stannis possesses: When he held Storm's End against the forces of the Reach during Robert's Rebellion, he endured the same hardships that his men did starvation and fatigue and, as a result, only a single soldier under his command attempted to desert.
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He has shown similar bravery in other battles. Stannis's fate is becoming similar to his ancestor Argilac the Arrogant as he tells his men to keep fighting in his daughter's name before marching to battle in bad weather, uncertain of victory.
Has similarities to his great-great-grandfather Maekar I Targaryen. They were both stern, socially-awkward younger sons who are great military commanders that feel overlooked by their brothers, killed a more charming brother of theirs though in Maekar's case it was accidental and in Stannis's case its unclear how aware he wasare very unpopular throughout Westeros and seen as The Evil Princeand unexpectedly become King.
Also despite their image as stern and sticking to the law, both show a progressiveness in their treatment of a lowborn but decent Knight, Stannis knighting Davos and making them his Hand, and Maekar letting Dunk take his son Egg on as his squire.
Stannis for his part greatly identifies with his ancestor Aegon I, he's based in Dragonstone, the castle of Aegon's birth, keeps staring at the Painted Table, has a relationship with Selyse and Melisandre much like Aegon-Rhaenys-Visenya and has a reputation for being The Stoic who only really lets his guard around his friend Davos, who like Orys Baratheon Stannis's other ancestorwas a lowborn possibly, rumors claim Orys was Aegon's bastard brother he raised high and rewarded on merit, enabling them to found their own House.
Subverted—he wields the mythical Lightbringer, but it only appears to be on fire because of Melisandre's magic illusions. As Maester Aemon is dying, he points out to Sam that Stannis cannot be Azor Ahai, because his "Lightbringer" is nothing but an ordinary sword disguised by a glamour. It might get lost among his more unpleasant character traits, but he makes sure that his daughter Shireen receives a proper education and keeps Patchface around because she likes him, even if the jester is a living remainder of the accident in which his parents died.
While his behavior is pragmatic in a sense it's unlikely that he and Selyse will have another heir, and so Shireen must become an adequate rulerfew parents in Westeros are shown to be better than him. Subverted in that he actually never once interacts with his daughter in the books and rarely mentions her at all.
Thus, giving the appearance that he ignores her more often than not. Stannis truly believes that hard work equals great reward yet he never gets what he wants. This also makes him a believer in true meritocracy which is why he constantly rewards Davos instead of his more highborn bannermen.
For all his faults, Stannis is Robert's true heir, he strives for truth and justice, and he plans on using the power of the crown to cleanse the realm of corruption and prepare it against the Others' invasion. By contrast, his rivals for the throne are Joffrey, a sadistic tyrant who's a figurehead for House Lannister, and his younger brother Renly, a sleazy, superficial jerk believes he should be king just because he's more popular than his older brother.
His other opponents, such as Varys and Littlefinger, don't want him taking the throne only because they know he won't suffer them or their scheming and power grabs. All in all, Stannis could be the most straightforward hero in the series if it wasn't for his stubbornness and his willingness to impose a foreign religion that he doesn't believe in so he can keep getting magical favors from Melisandre. Hero with Bad Publicity: He is the most hated man in the realm, expect, possibly, for Tyrion but refuses to rehab his image and expects everyone to acknowledge him as king because he is the rightful heir, even though he has no evidence.
However, while in the North, he does follow Jon Snow's advice and as a result gathers a lot of support throughout the North. Stannis tends to be critical of everyone present Robert Baratheon, Eddard Stark, Renly, Robb and othersand he also tends to be critical of popular heroes like Daeron the Young Dragon and other famous historical figures from the past.
The one exception is Aegon I, his ancestor via his Targaryen grandmother, who Stannis sees as a visionary who brought peace by eroding all borders within Westeros, and a role model for him to aspire to: This talk of Seven Kingdoms is a folly.
Aegon saw that three hundred years ago when he stood where we are standing. They painted this table at his command. Rivers and bays they painted, hills and mountains, castles and cities and market towns, lakes and swamps and forests It is all one. One realm, for one king to rule alone.
One King means peace. With Davos, one of the only men who Stannis not only respects, but likes. Much of Davos' interactions with Stannis are there to showcase that Stannis is more conflicted, unsure and flexible than the front he shows the rest of the world indicates.
Amongst other things he openly resents his brothers for their charm something he's never hadis willing to consider alliances with the Arryns and other undeclared houses, and appears to mourn Renly's death that he may or may not have ordered himself and regretting pulling a weapon during a negotiation when Renly tried to offer him a peach. Despite the idea that Stannis is overly harsh he is much more fair-minded then most nobles, seeing the worth in people despite their status and wanting to bring justice to everyone, as can be seen in minor details like gelding men of his who raped Wildling women.
Also many of the people Stannis targets are undeniably guilty of wrongdoing, such as Varys and Littlefinger. Believes that all Westeros should bow to him because he is "by law" Robert's "rightful" heir, yet he conveniently forgets that Robert got his crown by rebelling against the previous king. Davos calls him out on this, and Stannis's defense is that there it was a choice between family and king, and that he considered the former a higher duty which explains his dislike for Renly, since he didn't reciprocate in following his older brother: It is every man's duty to remain loyal to his rightful king, even if the lord he serves proves false.
As you remained loyal to King Aerys when your brother raised his banners? Aerys, If you only knew My blood or my liege. My brother or my king. Stannis can't stop pointing out that the Iron Throne is rightfully his as he is Robert's heir, but he dismisses all of Jon's objections to inheriting Winterfell wherein Jon explains that Winterfell should go to his sister Sansa since all of Ned Stark's trueborn sons are presumably dead.
Stannis points out that Sansa is Lannister by marriage and that, under no circumstances, will he allow Winterfell to be granted to Lannisters or their lackeys but Jon maintains his stance that Winterfell should go to his sister by rights.
To be fair, even Robb and Catelyn had a similar way of thinking, believing that Sansa's marriage meant she should be passed over for rule of Winterfell, and some of the Northern nobles are shown to have agreed with them.
Stannis constantly talks about he is motivated by duty and not ambition or personal feelings. However, when he wasn't named Hand by his brother he proceeds to leave King's Landing and sulk at Dragonstone. He had pragmatic reasons fear for his family, his own life after Jon Arryn's death, and his accusation against Cersei would be considered treasonous and a power-grab if he didn't have ironclad evidence.
That said, he doesn't consider warning Ned Stark or sharing some of his intelligence with him because he resented Robert's affection for Eddard and feels jealous that Robert never relied on him as much. When Stannis finally makes his move, it comes after both Ned and Robert are dead and Cersei has installed her new regime, by which point, Stannis's actions such as letters outing the illegitimacy of Cersei's offspring dispatched to all corners of the kingdom are too little and too late.
How he justifies most of his merciless actions. It still weighs heavy on him. He also expects the rest of the world to act this way.
This is part of why he is so disliked. He takes this to the greatest possible extreme in A Dance With Dragons by marching toward Winterfell while his army is starving, freezing and greatly outnumbered. Stannis is one of the most unpleasantly astringent and astute characters in the series to hang with. He's introduced as acting incredibly rough on an old man's emotions one who helped raise him like a father, no less — and, not even outright meaning it as an insult, but " just telling it like he sees it ".
He continues this stance throughout the series by either constantly insulting people with his sheer, blinkered bluntness or complaining about how he was wronged. Examples include him calling rape victim, Gilly, a whore because his ideas on sexual assault and coercive abuse don't match most other people's and complaining about Ned taking a job he desired to Ned's grieving widow because of course he thinks he'd have done it better. Jerkass Has a Point: This is the very definition of Stannis's character.
He's one of the most unpleasant, no-nonsense people anyone could ever meet in Westeros, and is generally coarser than sandpaper to deal with both emotionally and socially. Though he apparently thinks and judges in black-and-white terms, his interactions with Davos show that, while not being easily swayed, Stannis is not as unapproachable as other people generally paint him as being.
He also displays a very good picture of what is going on around him, as well. Even while he's busy treading on emotional toes, he's going to be saying something important to listen to.
Also Stannis claims he would not have been as forgiving to those who fought against Robert as Robert was. Considering how treacherous much of the Small Council, the Tyrells, and Balon Greyjoy turn out to be, he was probably justified. Dawn was nigh and my lords were waiting, fretting. I should have been ahorse, armored. I knew Renly would attack at break of day. Devan says I thrashed and cried out, but what does it matter? It was a dream. I was in my tent when Renly died, and when I woke my hands were clean.
Why go into the dream? When viewed in context, I think we should take him at his word — that Stannis subconsciously experienced the assassination of Renly but did not order it. Melisandre has seen it in the flames of the future…Her flames do not lie. On Dragonstone she saw it, and told Selyse. On the one hand, Stannis seems to be arguing for some version of predestination — what Melisandre sees in the flames will come to pass.
On the other, Stannis seems to be saying that there are multiple and conflicting futures, which reintroduces the question of free will: Had I met my brother there, it might have been me who died in place of him.
The men of your garrison will be free to enter my service or to return unmolested to their homes. You may keep your weapons and as much property as a man can carry. I will require your horses and pack animals, however. Especially by medieval standards, Stannis is giving Penrose a good deal — a general pardon, the right to choose whether to go home or to fight with Stannis, he right to keep their weapons and property.
The sticking point seems to be Edric Storm, but this is where audience knowledge vs. He throws my pardon in my face. Aye, and throws his life away in the bargain, and the lives of every man inside those walls.
What other hope does he have? Even if it means his own life? For Davos, we have to ask, what happens if his loyalty to Stannis leads him to embrace bad means for a good end? More of which in a minute. There are a number of different alternatives here: The young mules will think this a splendid notion.
Estermont will favor settling down to starve them out, as Tyrell and Redwyne once tried with me. That might take a year, but old mules are patient. Each one imagining he will be my champion and win undying fame. It also potentially adds further delay. Davos offers Stannis a fourth option: Davos considered a moment before he answered. A siege would take too long, single combat is too chancy, and an assault would cost thousands of lives with no certainty of success.
And there is no need. Once you dethrone Joffrey this castle must come to you with all the rest. It is said about the camp that Lord Tywin Lannister rushes west to rescue Lannisport from the vengeance of the northmen. Stannis rejects this advice for a mix of military and political reasons: There is a need. And that I cannot permit. Men do not love me as they loved my brothers. They follow me because they fear me. The castle must fall. Doran Martell has called his banners and fortified the mountain passes.
His Dornishmen are poised to sweep down onto the Marches. And Highgarden is far from spent. My brother left the greater part of his power at Bitterbridge, near sixty thousand foot. I fear that Ser Loras Tyrell reached Bitterbridge before my envoys, and took that host for his own. There are points to both sides. Only land a boat beneath the castle, unseen, in the black of night. Can you do that? More importantly, this theory of the crime requires Melisandre to have been totally forthcoming with Stannis about her magic.
Coming to Stannis with the proposal is a huge risk — not only is it quite likely that someone like Stannis would recoil at the thought of kinslaying, but her argument would undercut her attempts to establish herself as a prophetess. The castle falls either way. The man was nothing to me Oh Robert loved him to be sure loved him like a brother how often did i hear that? I was his brother not Ned but you never would have known it the way he treated me. Stannis feels resentful of Ned due to him getting credit for lifting the siege of Storms End when Stannis was inside holding out and starving living off of rats.
He also took it as a slight that Ned was named hand of the king by Robert instead of him. Stannis and Melisandre Melisandre believes Stannis is the savior of her religion and is telling Stannis about how special he is.
I believe this does have an impact on him after all Stannis isnt used to people liking him at all and here is the woman constantly building him up. Stannis adopts the Lord Of Light somewhat he generally remains skeptical of religion but more on that later. Melisandre gains Stannis trusts by showing him magic she creates a shadow demon to kill Renly and Courtney Penrose to help Stannis although she doesnt do it anymore because it physically weakens Stannis. It is very likely Stannis and Mel are having sex as Mel Comments that without Stannis around she has no use for a bed and the likelihood that the shadow babies were created through a sex.
Mel is kinda like the evil angel on Stannis shoulder whereas Davos is the good angel. Mel is ultimately able to convince Stannis to kill his bastard nephew Eldric Storm a child he hates due to him being created by Robert in Stannis bed on his wedding night for his kingsblood.
Stannis and Shireen Despite his general cold nature Stannis is loving towards his daughter Shireen. One might say it is the closest relationship he has with anyone.
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Stannis often defends Shireen and is outraged by Axel Florents secret plans to marry her to Tommen. He names Shireen as his heir in case he dies. In the Theon Winds chapter Stannis says if he dies the soldiers should continue the war in order to put Shireen on the throne.
Your Grace, if you are dead? Justin Massey asked " You will avenge my death, and seat my daughter on the Iron Throne. Or die in the attempt. On the show of course Stannis encounters a snowstorm and burns Shireen however i cant see this happening in the books at all as Stannis is so far away from Shireen it just doesnt fit.